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Postby obi one » 18 Sep 2010 14:47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f9KgoGhs5w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8PNhip6U_Q


Conceptually, the "skwheel" is a skwal derivate....I conceived and prototyped it to test its carving capabilities on hard surface (asphalt). Also I was interested to assess its skwal training value as add-on for our summer time. Overall, I got positive impressions and I am working on different skwheel protos and configurations to modify control, maneuvrability and flex. Although different in size, material and shape from a standard skwal, its response mirrors a skwal ride ...soft boots and step-in bindings suggested.

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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby Philobédo » 20 Sep 2010 18:52

Nice idea, for your prototype you use trucks from skate bord, difficult to make a real carving with this system i think.
You can imagine a skwheel with 3 inline wheels from each side of your bord, (nose, middle and tail), if your board have a suffisant flex it could be possible to drive him like roller blade with the same technic we use in skwal....
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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby obi one » 20 Sep 2010 22:45

Philobédo wrote:Nice idea, for your prototype you use trucks from skate bord, difficult to make a real carving with this system i think.
You can imagine a skwheel with 3 inline wheels from each side of your bord, (nose, middle and tail), if your board have a suffisant flex it could be possible to drive him like roller blade with the same technic we use in skwal....


Yes Philobédo, ...Two months ago I had "connected" a pair of rollerblades with a metal bar...
that version was the first "concept idea" of the skwheel...(at that time I was calling it skwade...skwal + rollerblade). Let's say that riding a pair of "fixed" in line rollerblades does not give you any margin of error at all...and you need more speed. I filmed that session but it will not be issued at this stage. As I was (and still am) in the prototyping phase I considered more pragmatic and convenient to keep a "wheel configuiration" of a skateboard...Thus, I filmed the two clips I issued here....the asphalt carving tests I did impressed me because I did not considered it possible...but during the turns I realised that when I was "carving" towards the asphalt I was riding on two single wheels and not all the four!...if you look at the first video you can lock the images and check this yourself....basically if you lay down enough the skwheel tilts on two wheels only leaving the other two wheels up in the air. In skwal we actually do the same with the edges...one edge carve the snow the other is up in the air...

the real problem is the material for protection...asphalt carvin requires heavy protection... : ) if not...you will be bleeding for sure at every carve...

Certainly (at least in my), the skwheel prototype 5 or 6 (I am completing the number 3) will have in-line wheels...we'll see what will happen ; )

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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby viensdusud » 22 Sep 2010 20:30

Hello obi one
I think your skate-board truck are not good your "skweel". They dont turn enough and the length of the deck dont help. Trucks "carver C7" must be better. they turn doubly more because of a double axe in the front truck. So you can use two front trucks for easy carving. You can also have a look on a vidéo of "carveboard" it's a magic board for carving.
Have much fun.
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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby obi one » 22 Sep 2010 21:19

viensdusud wrote:Hello obi one
I think your skate-board truck are not good your "skweel". They dont turn enough and the length of the deck dont help. Trucks "carver C7" must be better. they turn doubly more because of a double axe in the front truck. So you can use two front trucks for easy carving. You can also have a look on a vidéo of "carveboard" it's a magic board for carving.
Have much fun.



thanks viensdusud,
much appreciated, ...I will surely have a look at the "carver C7" indeed : )

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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby McFly » 23 Sep 2010 18:32

You're totaly crazy :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
And we need guys like you :wink:
Skwalez bien, Skwalez PLEIN !!!

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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby obi one » 23 Sep 2010 22:13

McFly wrote:You're totaly crazy :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
And we need guys like you :wink:


I do think you are right McFly :) ....and to keep you smiling ...here I am also foolish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01b0eoY7q8Q

however ALWAYS RESPECTFUL OF MY SKWAL ORIGIN .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I42qzv5v5PQ

keep in touch :wink:

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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby skwaloo » 24 Sep 2010 15:49

Perhaps keep Oxeloboard, it's look like micro-Skwal. http://www.decathlon.fr/oxeloboard-bleu-id_8151556.html

... it's not enough if only 1 foot is fixed ?
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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby obi one » 24 Sep 2010 18:26

skwaloo wrote:Perhaps keep Oxeloboard, it's look like micro-Skwal. http://www.decathlon.fr/oxeloboard-bleu-id_8151556.html

... it's not enough if only 1 foot is fixed ?


hi skwaloo,

the two foot fixed on the skwheel is to maintain complete traction on the deck of the system during a carve ...simply you enter the turn by lateral inclination and the inclination of the skwheel should mirror that angle (more and less ...it is the same logic with our skwals)...if you free one foot ...well... it could be that you loose the traction into the turn...and will behave like a skateboarder or like a longboarder(they constantly modify their board-feet positioning and interaction...we, skwalers do not do this),....but I will give it a try ...who may never know ...

the oxelo, wave boards as well as the ripstcks need modifications on the wheels as they have 360 degrees of freedom ...more interesting is a problem I saw when I got a waveboard in my hands...

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as you see, the inclination to carve down laterally is too limited...you may need to cut some lateral parts out of the oxelo...mmmm....


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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby skwaloo » 24 Sep 2010 20:26

obi one wrote:the oxelo, wave boards as well as the ripstcks need modifications on the wheels as they have 360 degrees of freedom

I don't think 360 degrees of freedom : "wheel return springs" (in more info on http://www.oxelo.com/EN/oxeloboard-73632932/ )

as you see, the inclination to carve down laterally is too limited

Certainly need to raise the wedge board
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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby viensdusud » 24 Sep 2010 22:11

Hello obi one.
Please, have a look on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96lZyfbHM0I
Carveboard built a smaller board with smaller wheels the longstick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZFjg31r ... re=related
You can fix your boots like on a skwal. You have to chose wheels whith a good progressive slide for slow down or stop.
You can see on the video that the deck get a big angle with the road!! Like a skwal!
Have fun
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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby skwaloo » 25 Sep 2010 00:20

And with the larger wheels it's better too take more inclination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuBo2a5guMg
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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby obi one » 26 Sep 2010 00:07

viensdusud wrote:Hello obi one.
Please, have a look on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96lZyfbHM0I
Carveboard built a smaller board with smaller wheels the longstick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZFjg31r ... re=related
You can fix your boots like on a skwal. You have to chose wheels whith a good progressive slide for slow down or stop.
You can see on the video that the deck get a big angle with the road!! Like a skwal!
Have fun


yep, the latter clip you sent around (with smaller wheels) is a promising idea....I like that and will really take into account for the skwheel proto n. 4

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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby obi one » 26 Sep 2010 00:31

skwaloo wrote:And with the larger wheels it's better too take more inclination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuBo2a5guMg



yes those wheels would do fine for my prototypes :D ....thanks Skwaloo. The clip is really interesting to understand wheels behaviour of a T board as well....

Aslo, what I need now is to focus on the interface system (bindings),...in my mind I want full interface for total lateral feet traction.

all in all, the quest of in-line feet boards (skwheel) on hard surface and feet-board locking systems on such boards (like our bindings on skwal) is still open...

we will see...

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Re: skwheel...a skwal derivate

Postby skwaloo » 26 Sep 2010 10:50

More the wheel is larger, more you can take inclination to carve with the same larger board.



For bindings :

With the Oxelo type for wheels I think you dont have to make big effort to inclinate the board. And it's allows you to make simple and light system.

I think only scratching strap arround the foot can be proper.
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